Please remember this for the future. both are similar in power, Super Perfect Cell is a SSJ2 tier fighter, LSSJ brolly was killed after Goku absorbed everyone Power while in SSJ1. It took that many people to put him down, including a Super Saiyan 2, whereas it took a bunch of beat down people fused into a Super Saiyan to beat Broly. Good luck debunking the writer of Movies 8 and 10 himself DB fans :). So it wasn't really much of a stomp, at least when looking at it as a whole. Cell would be the hands down better fighter, and he can regenerate, but Broly is just too strong and too durable. Knowledge: basic. And heavily contradicts story elements. Also, show me where a Ki-Attack from a Blast has ever left behind Residual Ki for others to detect in DBZ? Whereas the Sub is literally Translated by Japanese People in the Studio at the same time of release. So unless Broly is actually an ancient immortal Saiyan, then what we're seeing is the Camera moving and not the galaxy. Crumbs. Which we know isn't the case. That is your opinion. Explanation. You claiming it's an opinion doesn't make it so. And yes, bolding does help when certain persons seem incapable of understanding what's being said. Gohan held his own against his SSJ form in base, and he didn't have the sparks either when transformed. Not some type of Radioactive Element, aka Kryptonite. Perfect Cell held back a LOT against Goku. You claim it was done in 20yrs, and bring no proof of it. It's stated Gohan's stronger as a teenager and it's pretty obvious Teen Gohan is stronger than the kids. Because the Feats contradict the Out-Of-Universe Statements (Not Narration, not the same thing) the "Author's Intent" of Broly being the Strongest, falls into Death of the Author: an author's intentions should hold no special weight in determining an interpretation of their writing. On-Topic: If whose is more powerful, SSJ Broly (M8) > Warm-Up Perfect Cell If this was RSSJ Broly, it'd be a evenly fight for them since both of them tanked ASSJ Vegeta's kick. But we know that's not true since he still eats and sleeps. I don't believe it's ever stated Broly one shotted multiple galaxies or even a single galaxy, if memory serves me correctly I believe it's said he has destroyed multiple galaxies. And once again, saying "there's something left therefore it didn't happen" doesn't work here. No? I've made this comparison before. You can pull as much BS as you want and won't get you nuthin. Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan >> Grown up Gohan, Trunks and Goten. Which is a big ball of plasma created by nuclear fission generating all manner of heat and radiation. Not referenced by a character. 1. So movies like the Cooler movies and Garlic Jr. Hatchiyack possibly could. Yes. You quite clearly act as though you are using author intent, as well as claiming that the Subtitles are also accurate. If just the latter fight then obviously, although one thing should be taken into account. Bender Bite my shiny metal ass! We see the galaxy being wiped out. @wolfrazer: I'm talking about when you see goku catching a couple of cooler's punches, Anyways, my overall point is that base saiyans fighting in their base really doesn't mean anything, If you insist that gohan not getting stomped by broly is of any importance, then I hope you know that gohan DOES state that he's gotten stronger than he was 7 years ago. There's no question here. Any other explanation has Broly moving at quintillions times the speed of light to complete this or firing just as many attacks in every conceivable direction and accurately hitting every planet, star, nebulae, etc etc, giving him cognitive prowess the likes of which the Angels would be jealous of. Going by the same logic, Broly still already did more than just shake something harmlessly. Indestructible Namek. They're separate. That's all you see displayed when Goku travels. Follow 26077. Didn't Broly no-sell a kamehameha that Cell got his upper body annihilated by? Lighting Up a Macrocosm is still way more energy than Busting a Galaxy though. Really hard to quantify. And he wasn’t killed in the sun, he was being killed by the blast he was just sent into the sun. Re-edited: Now that I'm think about it. None. Let's clear those up. But now (after he healed) he has to face another enemy who came back to earth for revenge. That's why I don't even bother debating w/ them. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan still wasn't enough to defeat Cell and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan would have mopped the floor with Broly. Different timelines, different rules and events. No, it's a fact. No. lol. Ki is defined as: The tangible energy inside every living being; Their Life Force. 2. If SSJ has distinguishable Ki then he would've known beforehand and that Broly was a Saiyan and a SSJ and regardless of knowing what SSJ Ki is initially, he still would've sensed the attack going on due to its sheer scale completely outstripping anything Freeza had ever done. I think Broly still wins. Super Perfect Cell takes out one of Gohans arms with one blast and only loses the beam struggle because he gets blasted by another person. But let's look at this. Which makes each quadrant near-infinite in size. Nothing you believe changes that. broly rssj being stronger than non charged up assj vegetas attacks doesnt mean anything. Again you're bringing up poor animation with limited tech and a limited budget. Counter: Where is SPC/Vegito/Gogeta/Hirudegarn/Hatchyect/Janemba/Shenron busting a galaxy? Not that I don't think Broly is stronger than Super Perfect Cell. He said this himself because Gohan is the king of downplaying himself, that's why Goku had to motivate him during the kamehameha struggle. @king_stranglehold_da_first: This shows how green you are. Probably in this thread ages ago. You said it took Broly 20yrs to destroy South Galaxy. No...just that he wasn't stomped in base against SSJ Broly. And what does King Kai say? It's obvious he'd be the better fighter. TakenStew22. I'm referring to him being MSSJ in the beam struggle, which is NOT debatable, as we can clearly see his MSSJ bangs. @reikai: facepalm.Don't understand how you can possibly believe,trolling or not,broly can beat anyone you just mentioned is beyond reasoning. That means nothing given Broly is on New Vegeta while Paragus is away on the ship getting the Prince. There was no theoretical reference to what 'could' happen, a visual was clearly given and Stated by the Narrator. Goku also could not have been SSJ2 as the movie came out before SSJ2 Goku was even introduced into the anime. Oh that's right, none of'em can. First of all, Gohan was not at 50% of power. Control Circlet restricts his power and prevents him from going beyond a Restraint SSJ Form. @dratini1331: I guess its people who overrate Broly so high for why I despise him.Broly would've had a good tie in its just supreme wanking that grinds my gears, [Sarcasm]Hmmmmmm....This sure debunks what me and the video said.[/sarcasm]. No prep. SS2 is nothing to Brolly, as evidenced. There's a difference. There being remnants left over doesn't change the fact that, by an large, the South Galaxy has been annihilated. They've done Majin Vegeta and SS2 Goku against Brolly. I understand this argument, and while it is possible, it isn't enough to prove your claim any more than mine. Except those things don't contradict anything. Now that that's cleared up, who wants icecream? That's a matter of opinion on who looked better. Yet none of this aligns with the story leading up to this point. @carter_esque: Don't know what you were expecting. That's also how we ended up with GT, so go figure. Cell fought pretty evenly with Goku for awhile (I know this isn't Super Perfect Cell but still). He never fought better than Cell. What Goku can do in the Movies doesn't mean Canon Goku can do the same thing. Meaning he reduced the Southern Quadrant to a dirt stain at less than a fourth of his initial strength. Second, the Dub is a Secondary Source that often makes mistakes due to the Japanese and English languages not working nicely together. Zenkai boosts were meant to make Saiyans strong enough to become Super Saiyan. broly would beat super perfect cell, because he fought a grown up gohan and was still gaining the upper hand against goku, gohan and goten until trunks distracted him with an energy ball So the same guy who created Janemba and Broly, still says Broly is the strongest. Whereas the Sub is literally Translated by Japanese People in the Studio at the same time of release. Gohan would've lost horribly to Cell if Vegeta and the others didn't intervene. And no for the millionth time Broly is not a galaxy buster. Agreed their fanwanking is unbelievable. Had Toriyama been at the helm, he could've been a much better character in all honesty, and would've been a more satisfying end to the series, rather than Buu. The movie counterparts are in an alternate universe according to Akira Toriyama. Your claim rests on the Time-Frame, which as we know cannot be used due to Audience Perspective. When Goku went Super Saiyan 2 it ended there, it shot Broly straight into the sun. 1 month ago. He also has more techniques and abilities than Broly. Meaning the Camera was turning, not the galaxy. It's exactly the same thing as claiming that if I eat a sandwich and there's crumbs left on the plate, then I didn't eat the whole thing and the sandwich still exists. Cell could easily do that if he wanted to, it's not like Broly one-shotted the entire galaxy, he went around blowing planet after planet. *Cell, initially, had a large edge over SS Goku. Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan >> Grown up Gohan, Trunks and Goten. Still strong enough for Goku to lock onto with Instant Transmission. Remember Gohan went SSJ2 against broly in the second movie and he got his ass kicked. Galaxies are so huge that their spin could not be perceived like that in such a short amount of time. Not to mention, Cell is an Android who has near mastered ALL of the Z-Fighters techniques and abilities, and even Frieza too. Meaning it doesn't take place over a long period of time. Cell could level a solar system easily. Gone over this before. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. (2) King Kai didn't believe Super Saiyans were real until Goku turned into one. Narration that doesn't fit the visuals nor the dub dialogue and the same still image you keep throwing in over and over that has been discredited time and again that you refuse to acknowledge as having happened. Restricted Broly vs. SS2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell-Bloodlusted-Movie 8 Broly, end of Cell Saga Gohan and Cell-Win by death. The rate of spin wouldn't be visible to human perception over the course of seconds. Second, the Dub is a Secondary Source that often makes mistakes due to the Japanese and English languages not working nicely together. Buuut....that's just my theory on it. Broly stomps and it isn’t even close. Gohan used a ton of energy to form the barrier to protect the others(to the point of them not being outright killed) from Broly's attack explosion which was gigantic. And again, claiming that translation is more accurate than any other is completely false. He didn’t destroy it all once but he did destroy it, and that’s not debatable. There wasn't really much of a fight in either instances between the two anyhow. Cell murderstomps the overhyped Legendary Super Saiyan. shikaigash Sasquatch. There are tons of grammar and subbing errors in all of media and claiming that the old Broly subs are truer than any other is absolute nonsense. And Narrator beats character statements. The New Broly movie cost 8.5million to make. The remnants of systems on the very outermost edges of what used to be the Southern Quadrant. I like the other example in the thread earlier :(, You are using broly seven years after cell games if cell was alive for those seven years cell would be stronger than ssj3 because he would been absorbing the whole time and hr knows about the hyperbolic time chamberso stop using characters from two different time line's, Cell mercilessly curb stomps broly brutally with no regrets, That's what I say to they were way stronger and it wasn't an ssj , 2 assj's and a ssj2 vs broly was it no. Which was one attack expanding outward. @reikai: I'm a lil' disappointed to be honest. I didn't feel like explaining bits by bits how Broly didn't really destroy the South Galaxy and so I just posted this video that explains everything. 0 0. Not mention the fact that Broly one-shotting a galaxy would kill him in the process (unless you think Broly can survive that despite being killed by only being blasted into the sun). Your literally factually incorrect if you think Cell would beat Broly or if you think Broly wouldn't solo everyone in Z until Kid Buu, wouldn't expect anything else from one of the dumbest fanbases out there AKA the DB fanbase. And already explained before, the attack was a Literal Miracle because the Writers wrote themselves into a corner. I just need to prove that it wasn't all done in 1 Attack, which I have already done 3 times now above, with Narration and Art both supporting my claim. Dude in the movie whether it be the English or Japanese(original) version, the South Galaxy was STILLthere. Which they admitted to. In the 90's, that's a hell of a lot of money to dump into a project. We don't even have figures for how much the animation cost for the original Dragon Ball Z films. Logically Cell should win but people have made a case for Broly. In DBZ its a bit different from comics. Did Gogeta's light show actually hurt anything? Did you see them open up Microsoft Paint and do it? They provide Context to the Visuals. That means he'd have to bust around 40 galaxies a second for the next 20yrs straight. Especially since, as I've pointed out before, Broly performs this feat while as a Suppressed Super Saiyan. Gohan killed 7 Vegeta level guys Broly couldnt kill a single Vegeta level guy and Super Perfect Cell almost beat Gohan. Super Saiyan 2 Goku is the only more powerful one and he destroyed Broly so there's no point calling it more impressive if he lost horribly. Cell is a confirmed solar system buster. Namek 100 % Frieza, Super Perfect Cell, Kid Buu and LSSJ Broly. Not just in anime, but in any medium where translation is required. Movies like Broly, Bojack Unbound, and Tree of Might are too contradictory in terms of powerscaling to possibly fit in the main timeline even if they can be argued to fit in the story, so they don't count for GT. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Cell has returned as Super Perfect, and wants to kill Brolly for stealing … @takenstew22: Movie Goku isn’t canon Goku so that’s fine. And just a reminder, if he left behind 0.1% of south quadrant there’d still be a multiple galaxies worth of stars and planets. I'm looking at the fight right now, they weren't really equal, only during the IT thing really and even then Cooler won that. A funny mistake everybody makes, Broly did not one shot the entire galaxy. Cell wasn't hurt by Vegeta's blast he was simply distracted by it. Claiming one group is better at translating another's language than that other group is completely false, as is claiming it's more accurate. I also think Cell is the best villain, but I'm just saying broly isn't that terrible in terms of a villain model, if not a little cliched. Cell is only listed as a solar-system buster at best within the Daizenshuu. I mean Base Gohan vs SSJ Broly, Gohan avoided Broly's attack and deflected a hit, Broly got in one hit, Broly than fired an attack which Gohan deflected back which then Gohan used a barrier to protect Goten/Trucks/Videl from the explosion. Goku was only a Super Saiyan and once he got the energy from everyone, his power level was a bitover Brolys, thus making Goku stronger than Broly and Goku defeating Broly. i said that broly was gaining the upper hand against goku, gohan and goten and you seem to be forgetting the fact that goku came back from the dead yet again and that saiyans get stronger from suffering through a near death experience or even dying for that matter.... i would say that a kamehameha fired by a stronger version of goku, an adult gohan, who might not be as strong as his teen counterpart, yet still strong enoug hand goten should surpass the kamehameha of teen gohanand regarding the interference of trunks....... look at 4:15 of this video where trunks shoots his ki ball at brolys ki-ball.... the moment trunks ki ball hits broly looks confused and fires few more ki balls, but they explode before they can enhance his main ki ball.... that probably means that trunks ki ball interrupted brolys ki flow or some mystical kung fu gibberish like that, that's also the moment where goku sees his opportunity and commands his sons to give it all and they manage to shoot broly into the sun. 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