And when she had Kasha with her, Brian [censored] was watching Kasha for her, and he lived with her. Catfish says, he told me he did it, I told the CBI and he showed his confession on messenger. He is the second right coming down Enchanted from Camino del Rey. Cindy Santi: 19:00 I was living in Crestone. Payne Lindsey: 12:26 It's about three and a half, almost four hours. When you've got the power of drugs and you've got people who you buy from and who gets drugs from you, there's sort of a tight bond there. Brian, that's all I can say at the moment. When you come into full awareness and knowledge of what's happening on the planet, it's big bro. These guys were the ones who had the drugs. You tell Kristal, she calls me when she gets home." She got there early and she saw Brian. More About the … Mama said, don’t go near that river. Phebe: 00:31 That night I came home and for some reason I flipped the TV on and it was on channel 12. But as far as Kristal's story, he gave more convincing details than I had gotten from anyone else so far. Murder and rape. "He's gonna pay me in two weeks." It's probably in many ways one of the last places in the country you could do that. Payne Lindsey: 14:53 The last time Kristal was seen or heard from was likely July 13th, but Catfish's birthday is on July 21st. I meet people from all over the country right here. One of the many consequences of Kristal’s disappearance is that her 5-year-old daughter, Akasha (“Kasha”), is now financially supported by only one parent. He lied in that interview, and he showed deception and distanced himself from Kristal, which are bad things when you're a person of interest. Say what you will about season 2 or neo-hippies, but the fact that Payne was able to get this phone interview with the prime suspect is amazing (or should I say Catfish … ... Up and Vanished season … And Kristal had been coming and going from up there quite a bit. I'm not sure who they are, but I'm pretty sure if you talk to Landon, Jack, and Brian, if you get those three, you'll be able to figure it out. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. She felt like it was a safe place to be. Season 2 of Up & Vanished might not have solved the case, but Lindsay noted that there were some developments along the way that could end up being hugely important. We were like, "Catfish?" Galadriel: 29:56 An article, or a news story, or something, he sends me a friend request. Up and Vanished ended a record year with a 17 city national tour, visiting fans in cities, coast to coast and bringing the podcast to life with new stories, media and interactive time with audiences. We certainly know who Catfish is. It was along the size, wrong shape, and all kinds of different knots. Learn more about your ad choices. I called Wayne back and told him to check Social Services in Gunnison, Colorado. That they did three, maybe three or four different times, and then finally they incinerated it would be my guess. Catfish has also been accused of drugging and raping other women. David: 27:47 So, there's the path that goes up here, and there's caves up in there. So, he's watching. He never paid her back. Just not general night terrors, he's actually said that twice. Calvin: 08:11 Okay, because my friends just showed up. Dan Warwick, being first duly sworn, states as follows: Rob Ricotta: 24:14 I hereby certify that I served a copy of summons, complaint, and answer to respondent Brian [censored]. Rob Ricotta: 14:24 John said that he did not know Kristal that well. Just because somebody in town is on everybody's radar, rumored to be some bad guy that might be involved in Kristal's disappearance, doesn't make it true. John offered to let me search his house and the grounds to prove that Kristal was not there. And he's the one that ended up bringing her for the summer to Crestone. So, that's what I heard. He got dosed with a live drug and he went off... this guy used to follow the Grateful Dead for a long time, and he came up with this thing where he's like, eventually, hang on a second, trying to figure out where these lights are coming from. Somebody else said they thought, but the last time I talked to her, there was a day after the full moon, the full moon before that, it was the day after that, and she said, she came in, she called me on the street, she was up in her apartment there, and she's like, hey Brian, I think Catfish put some fucked up shit on Facebook about you, you know what I mean, because we like got, we had an argument and got, I did some work in the house and he didn't pay me for it, and it was just a thing we had. Angela, who I spoke to earlier on the podcast, told me an interesting story. It's not very nice, you gotta watch what you do around here. x. Angela: 25:39 Brian [censored] told me the backstory of their relationship. I don't remember a whole lot about the evening except the drumming, but I could have swore I heard her voice, that's the last, geez it's been, I guess the last drum circle was two and a half weeks ago, and before that it was like six weeks ago. I mean, I honestly thought it was Catfish at first, but once I started talking to Catfish, I mean, document, got to basically know Catfish, it wasn't him at all. Dready Brian: 27:43 The last time we went up was like a couple weeks ago, so I guess the one before that would be six weeks ago, wow, it's been a long time, damn. The source says, oh wow, why do you say Brian? The podcast also prompted a television special on Oxygen that premiered November 18, 2018. Nobody ever mentioned that she was close to 200 pounds, and that definitely confirms it had to be more than one person. She came down here with him to like check out Crestone, and he totals her car. Landon: 20:52 Your reputation is everything, it's kind of most of the story catches a little bit of wind somehow, everybody wants, that's the nature of programming people, it doesn't even matter exactly what you're doing. She was in school. It's a pretty big hike. Mama said, don’t go near that river. What's going on?". I was just kind of like, my reputation was getting stomped on. If you're enjoying Up and Vanished, tell a friend, family member or coworker about it, and don't forget to subscribe, rate and review on Apple podcasts. Our cover art is by Trevor Isler. He may have, in all, I hate to say this, but he may have helped him cover it up, but the only reason he did that is because they involved him. I said, "What day will you be back?" Our intern is Hallie Bedol. Continuing our coverage of Colorado at Six, the skull was on Mud Lake open space property near Nederland. Many of the episodes were meaningless, which is very frustrating. It's fucking out there. And you can't carry a body very far. In Season 1, Payne tackles his first cold case story, the unsolved disappearance of Georgia high school teacher and former pageant queen, Tara Grinstead. And a concert was just starting, and it was one that had been recorded here in Denver, and it was Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. What they'll do is because there has been dental work done, it's almost as good as fingerprints. And she said, "Will you help me?" What do you think happened to her? Landon: 24:00 Maybe you'll do both stories, but, you know, I don't know. Rodney: 04:19 If you wanna call Wayne, it might be better getting it from the source. That's what I've heard. That's what they call him." I could swear I heard her singing. Produced for Tenderfoot TV by Payne Lindsey, Mike Rooney, and me, Meredith Stedman with new episodes every Monday. ... (or should I say Catfish get the interview with Payne lol). When you drive in that wide open space out there, sometimes you tend to think that you've gone further than you have. Dready Brian: 28:47 I talked to Catfish. You know, there is an element of manipulation and blackmail going on with her. Landon, he almost shot Catfish's hand off. The future of democracy as we know it hinges on the outcome of two Senate races in a state that shocked the nation by turning blue for the first time in nearly three decades. There's 144,000 of us on the planet that have been, that are coming together to unify that vibration. I shared it with Maurice, too, to get his feedback. So, we drove to her house. And I said to her very sternly, "You are about ready to lose everything, even your life, if you don't turn things around." In Season 1, Payne tackles his first cold case story, the unsolved disappearance of Georgia high school teacher and former pageant queen, Tara Grinstead. She was Shamanic, she was beautiful, energetic. Payne Lindsey: 28:10 David said that one of his friend's in town might have some more information about Kristal. Such claim arises from the following event: Rob Ricotta: 23:20 On March 16, 2014, Brian [censored] borrowed my vehicle and ended up totaling it. Phebe recounts an unnerving story, involving her psychic connection with Kristal. Catfish says, I heard so many rumors it is interfering. And I said, "You stay with me for a week. But I do know some of the characters accused in this you, it's just, factually I don't know anything, I don't have any you know, solid information that would help anybody in the resolution in this whole terrible missing, I'm quite certain it was foul play and there's the whole dynamic of the relation and such, but go ahead and you ask the questions you wanted to, I would like to meet with you in person if you're ever in the area. He also had a bundle laying on the ground that appeared to be something human size, next to the open backdoor of his van. The 11 … And she said, "I think he did it on purpose.". ... Payne Lindsey On Up And Vanished Season 2 Dont Google. Like things are good, how do you feel about your life these days and everything? Payne Lindsey: 26:32 I asked Kristal's latest boyfriend, too, AKA, the Crestone Boyfriend. The 11-year-old case remains the largest case file in Georgia history and is still unfolding. And I'm like, "Okay, Kristal, what are you telling me here?" I do not believe that it was a stranger. Landon: 19:41 Jack, I believe was there at the time of whatever went down. She was intelligent. And, she started building herself up. Season 2 wrapped up on Monday and felt a whole lot less conclusive than the first season, which centered around the 11-year-old murder of … Chris Halsne: 06:53 We have every reason to believe that the Saguache County Sheriff's Office has enough information to make a case if they find Kristal. Angela: 26:06 They kinda started to become friends again slowly. The series investigates missing persons cold cases by reviewing old leads, interviewing witnesses and towns people, and on-site investigation. We saw that in the Tara case. Original score by Makeup and Vanity Set. Calvin: 12:11 I'm willing to work you man, I'm willing to work with CBI, you know what, screw these guys, I mean, I know that they all had something to do with it, and you know what, honestly they haven't turned out to be that great of friends anyway. Phebe: 00:00 Some of us, we tried doing some readings and that, and we were getting messages because we all knew her, and we were working with this. But, we were getting river and caves. The paranoia of all three of them just went through the roof. I knew it was something from her. A lot of people are scared of Catfish. I still don't know who she was. And then, she came up one day really upset and crying and said that Catfish had locked her up in his house for a couple days and raped her. Season 2 was really hit or miss. But he has tried to friend me like three or four times in the last year, every time I post-. + up and vanished season 2 catfish 22 Oct 2020 Some arthritis sufferers swear by fish body oil, while others extoll the virtues of cat's claw. There's no really, what I saw is from a distance, because I'm a friend of everybody that was probably involved. Landon: 17:15 Oh you will soon, bro, my brother you will soon. I don't think that the suspects in this case are so brilliant that they can go to Google Maps, the terrain, and figure out a new place they've never been to find the perfect place to hide a body. If they are guilty, then justice should prevail. Cindy Santi: 21:06 Brian showed up at the Bliss, and he said to me, "You need to call Kristal." Have you ever interviewed Catfish? Landon: 19:10 I was going through so much that I didn't have capacity to be sticking out trying to do the best work, especially in my situation it would have been extremely dangerous too, still a lot of people would consider what I'm doing extremely dangerous. And you guys are gonna be able to go out and talk to all of the other people that we don't know or never had contact with or anything else. Mary: 06:18 Some of those shafts crapped out on the bottom and it goes into water and we don't know how far down it goes or anything. That's why I keep trying to get people to share it on Facebook and stuff. That is a terrible thing to wake up to, and that's what's happened to me the past three years in a row. And I go, "Who?" You sure, I could have swore I kept hearing, you know that voice of hers. She had to clean his house, too, and that was the last conversation I had with her, but I could have swore she was at the last drum circle. And sometimes people owe debts and stuff to people, so is it possible that he could perhaps had somebody to do a favor for him? Catfish says, he told me he did it, I told the CBI and he showed his confession on messenger. I'm too busy, first of all. That's that, does it have anything to do with this case? What I went through...poisoned me with LSD, hired people to steal from me, hired people to beat me up, put libel, slander, all sorts of fucking crazy stories out there about me. NEW CASE. Executive producers Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright, additional production by Resonate Recordings, as well as Mason Lindsay, Rob Ricotta, and Christina Dana. It was somebody up in Boulder. And I don't understand why they haven't found her or why more information hasn't been resolved because I told them. And she was hanging with a tall Brian and there was some other guys. DISCUSS . 144,000 healers, masters, warriors that have communicated tons of times, I'm living with people that were famous people throughout history, they're reincarnating and coming back as masters. She ... like they were friends and stuff but she really didn't like him or like bought his reasons but he definitely was kind of in love with her for a little bit. I told Wayne Clark that that girl was murdered, and she was loaded in this vehicle by Catfish and driven to this area and thrown in a mineshaft. John "Catfish": 00:15:56 Imagine someone you know and love coming up and putting that in your head in the middle of the night. Rodney: 03:41 Would you go through the paperwork and see if Kristal had any dental work? Payne Lindsey: 25:51 Shortly after Kristal went missing, an anonymous person had a phone call with Dready Brian. Produced for Tenderfoot TV by Payne Lindsay, Mike Rooney, and me, Meredith Stedman, with new episodes every Monday. Dready Brian: 28:21 We were like super close, I would know where her specific spots would be you know what I mean. Rodney: 10:02 For us, it started out at, last time she was seen on the 13th after the drum circle, but if the drum circle was on the 18th ... so if it was July 18th-. And didn't wanna call the police, and nobody's seen her since. Maurice: 15:21 It's not unusual for a guilty person to allow police officers to search their home. Dready Brian: 27:25 I wasn't...you know that, I was just drumming for six hours straight, drinking and smoking. Mama wouldn't ..." And I'm like, there's something going on here. Calvin: 05:01 My knowledge is limited [inaudible 00:05:08] the ones who I guess were involved or were not involved, and really what it comes down to is Brian, you gotta start there. That's the way it is. Just as I turn the TV on, they start their first song, and it was a song that no one in the world unless they were as old as me would have known. Cindy Santi: 20:37 And I said, "In the meantime, I need for you to call me once a week." I wasn't there and I didn't see it, but right after the girl disappeared, that house was completely spotless, I mean, you could eat off the floor. Landon: 14:30 That's getting right into the nitty gritty of it. And guess who served the papers on Brian [censored]? Other than I will do anything to help. The anonymous source says this: have you heard any rumors? We need to go ahead and get rid of her over here.". Rob Ricotta: 13:58 He stated that they drank wine, smoked marijuana, and watched movies. I do believe her and Brian got into an argument, Brian killed her, and then they disposed of the body. If they're just dealing, moving product, they don't want to make any waves, and violence creates waves. Meredith: 30:41 Up and Vanished is an investigative podcast told weekly. The man immediately called authorities. I guess one that comes to mind is the Richard Jewel case at the Atlanta Olympics, the bombing, the security guard. You're not setting back waiting for a miracle call out of the sky with some information to give it to you, you got to go create it. Cindy Santi: 19:23 15 minutes, she walks back up to me and she said, "Do you have your cards?" I don't know him. And I don't get what's wrong with Saguache Police Department.". The success of Up and Vanished has led to the creation of many other podcasts from Payne Lindsey, such as Atlanta Monster and Radio Rental There's something about this, about the river and everything. And he was clearly lying. up and vanished season 2 catfish + up and vanished season 2 catfish 17 Dec 2020 Hand/Foot Pain: What PsA Hand and Foot Care Tips are Beneficial? Rodney: 11:57 Would a criminal profiler be of any assistance? And Kristal was very upset about that and they had a falling out. Galadriel: 29:09 I always knew him as not anywhere stable when he came. Payne Lindsey: 05:58 Do you know what happened, like what the situation was? Payne Lindsey: 05:47 So, it wasn't Kristal? And don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts. Stand up and fight for your life. If you wanna get dosed, that means you're gonna drop some acid, but, I mean, if you're getting dosed, that means somebody's either trying to kill you, drive you insane, or push you to a point to where your mental state can't handle the amount of drugs that you're on. Are you gonna be in the area? He can't reason this stuff out like you're doing with these dates and stuff, so he made a mistake. Maybe I was being a little bit, poor judgment of character when I decided who to hang out with and who to trust because of my depression and self destructive nature, you know. And it's usually the guy that has already killed somebody, and drags them to the bottom of the river and hides them. I think if I was paranoid because I was involved in drugs and covering up criminal activity, then I would probably ramble forever and ever just like Catfish. The 11-year-old case remains the largest case file in Georgia history and is still unfolding. Payne Lindsey: 28:19 Meaning wrecking her car. Maurice: 14:50 He just said, "Around my birthday" ... see? I vetted the information and I confirmed its authenticity. And then when I got it confirmed that that was the guy's name, Catfish John? Our intern is Hallie Bedol. 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